
Date: 9/11/01
Time: The earliest Jason Ingersoll photo (ca. 9:40am)
Photographer: Cpl. Jason Ingersoll, U.S. Marine Corps
DESCRIPTION:
I believe the time associated with this photo is correct. It appears this is before MWAA
Foam 331 arrived at 9:44 (see Fire Response page).
KEY NOTES:
Note the very specific damage to the windshield.
The cab driver's story is interesting. If anything from what I am saying here gets used elsewhere I ask that
it please be associated with the following paragraph for integrity purposes so there are no misunderstandings.
I do not "grill" people.
I am interested in their subjective experience. I have a high degree of respect for people in general and am sharing
this to show one person's view of this event. I don't record my interviews. I take good notes. Email
was not an option in this case. This is a little abbreviated but it hits the main points. I am putting quotes
around some of his words even though it may be a paraphrase from my literal notes.
From my own subjective sense he is very kind, thoughtful and honest. If you watch the following interview on channel 4
it represents his language and mannerisms accurately.
Channel 4 Interview
He went to work every day at 5:00 am. That day he heard about NY on the radio and decided to go home. He got a fare to
Rosslyn and took them there. He was returning from there southbound on 27. He said he was "almost the only one on the road".
If you go to VDOT traffic camera 740 at that time you can see how light the traffic is southbound. I have checked this
and confirmed it.
For a split second he saw a plane and then a piece of the pole came through his window. He described the plane as, "a big one
like at the airport with 2 engines". He did not recall any markings and did not state that it was American Airlines.
He "wrassled" with the car and turned to avoid the other piece of the pole in the road. He was doing "around 50-55 mph". He had a
little driver's pride when he said, "I didn't skid the wheels".
The car "cut off" and he got out. He mentioned several times how quiet it was. Then he said the people on the other
side of the divider were "huddled up" and asked if he was OK. After describing that he told me, "That hole
was too small for the plane". He reiterated that even though he was "standing right there" he couldn't explain what
happened to the plane. I asked if he saw the plane hit and he said, "I didn't care about no plane I was
trying to get my car pulled over". He was originally in the center southbound lane.
Lloyd's Survivor's Fund story posted below stated, "Another car stopped and the driver helped move the heavy pole off
Lloyd’s car. As they were moving the pole, they heard a big boom and turned to see an explosion. The light pole fell
on Lloyd and he struggled to get up from underneath, wondering what had happened." The following is how it was relayed to
me directly.
Lloyd said a "van" pulled up and the guy helped him pull the piece of the pole out of the window. He said he was
holding it up after it was pulled out and fell backwards with it on top of him. I asked him about an explosion
and he did not recall one. Obviously this was well beyond the impact explosion since he had already seen the hole.
I was inquiring about a possible secondary explosion as had been reported by other witnesses. I asked him again
and he said he did not hear an explosion and had just stumbled backward when trying to move the pole "off the road". If
you watch him walk in the above video I can picture him being a little unstable on his feet. Obviously
after being removed from the car that portion of the pole was light enough for him to handle himself.

In this photo taken at approximately 9:41 you can see a van there behind the cab as he stated.

Here is the inside of the cab. The dashboard was damaged, the front seat was pushed back and the pole hit into the back seat.
At some point somebody moved the large base piece of the pole away from the concrete divider to unblock that lane which
explains the scratch in the asphalt in the next photo. Lloyd does not remember who did that.
Lloyd tried to start his car over and over and it would not start. He wanted to leave. Then the guy who he described as
an "officer" in a white car stopped.

Date: 9/11/01
Time: In proximity to the above photos.
Photographer: Cpl. Jason Ingersoll, U.S. Marine Corps
DESCRIPTION:
This is the base of lamp pole number 1.
KEY NOTES:
Note the scrape on the asphalt that is coming from the direction of the Pentagon from
the pole being moved.
You can see leaves on the road and the glass right next to the lamp. You can see the government plates on the vehicle.
This person told Lloyd to stay there because he was part of the scene. So he followed orders.

Date: 9/11/01
Time: Between 9:48 and 9:57
Photographer: unknown
DESCRIPTION:
This is after both MWAA foam units arrived at 9:48 (see Fire Response page) but before
the building collapse at 9:57.
KEY NOTES:
The white car has moved on. Lloyd has taken his jacket out of the car and is just waiting.
You can see small debris and leaves on the road.

Date: 9/11/01
Time: After 9:57
Photographer: Channel 4 Video
DESCRIPTION:
This is after the building collapse at 9:57. It also appears the apparatus have been relocated due to
the fireground evacuation at 10:15.
When the police finally did show up they told Lloyd to get out of there because there was another
plane coming in. They made him walk out and didn't even offer him a ride. He walked clear up to Columbia/Pike to where
they had the "road blocked off" and called his daughter. I asked him if the police or the FBI contacted him later and
he said, "the last policeman I to talked was the one that made me leave". This still frame from the video shows the piece
that was removed from the windshield.
The next day he called and they had impounded his car. They told him it would be $80 to get it back
(he had a couple of things to say about that). Then somebody helped him get it back with no charge but he had
to call a friend to tow it. The friend towed it to Lloyd's house. Lloyd said it wouldn't start the day before
and the guy told him to open the trunk. The guy "flipped a switch" and they started the car. Lloyd said it
was the fuel pump switch.
I had never heard of this myself so I looked into it. The Lincoln-Mercury has a inertia fuel shutoff switch that shuts
off fuel to the engine with an impact. In some of the troubleshooting guides I read it can trigger on a bumpy road or
a pothole in some cases. Apparently the piece of the pole hit hard enough in the back seat to trigger that switch.
My conclusion is that through photos we can confirm Lloyd's statements like the van, the white car and the piece of
the pole he moved "off the road".
That section of the pole to go into the windshield was relatively small. It speared in from above and that was why
only the window was broken. Taken in its full context Lloyd's story is comprehensive and verifiable. I have no
reason to doubt what he saw.
Lloyd's Survivor's' Fund story is posted below. It has a couple minor variations but is consistent with the interview he did with me.
Lloyd, Survivors' Fund Project Survivor Story
Lloyd still keeps a torn dollar bill signed by a stranger and dated September 11, 2001. It marks a day he has struggled to
survive for two years. But Lloyd’s story is different from most other Survivor’s Fund clients. His life and livelihood was
changed by the path of Flight 77 before it hit the Pentagon.
Lloyd, 69, began the morning of September 11, 2001 like most days, driving his taxi cab. A passenger in Rosslyn told him
what had happened at the World Trade Center so he turned on his radio and headed home. As he approached the Navy Annex,
he saw a plane flying dangerously low overhead. Simultaneously, the plane struck a light pole and the pole came crashing
down onto the front of Lloyd’s taxi cab, destroying the windshield in front of his eyes. Glass was everywhere as he tried
to stop the car. Another car stopped and the driver helped move the heavy pole off Lloyd’s car. As they were moving the pole,
they heard a big boom and turned to see an explosion. The light pole fell on Lloyd and he struggled to get up from underneath,
wondering what had happened.
Police started to arrive on the scene and forced Lloyd to move. They urged the bystanders to leave the area in case there was
another explosion. Lloyd was forced to abandon his car in the middle of the street to begin the long walk home. As he made his
way on foot up Route 395, he met a man who had been working at the Pentagon. Walking side by side they found a dollar bill lying
in the road. They picked it up, tore it in half, each signed one half and traded with each other. Parting ways each took half
of a torn dollar with a stranger’s name on it. Lloyd still keeps this tangible reminder of his experience on 9/11.
Lloyd says the hardest part of his journey since 9/11 has been trying to survive without money. He realized once
he got home the morning of September 11th that he would not be able to work without his car—it is his livelihood. He
was without a vehicle for two months until he purchased a used car with the help of American Red Cross funds. They
were the only people to come to his aid in the beginning until his daughter came across the Survivor’s Fund. With
the help of his case manager and financial support from the Fund, he has been able to afford his monthly expenses,
something he struggled with after 9/11. “I’m not accustomed to people helping me,” he says. “I’m amazed that there
are people there just to do that.”
Lloyd tends to keep his feelings to himself. He is quiet, respectful and humble when speaking of his experiences.
When asked if it helps him to talk about September 11th, he says, “I don’t know. There are things I’d like to forget.” The
remnants of September 11, the reminders are all over for him but he concludes, “surviving hasn’t been easy, but it can be done.”
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